Topkin Likes Internet Rumors After All
I'll preface this by repeating what I've said many times: I love MLBTR and respect Dierkes as much as any writer around and Topkin's Sunday columns are some of the best around, but you'll remember a while back - the day before the Delmon deal actually - I posted that tidbit about Boof Bonser saying there was a deal imminent between the Twins and Rays for Delmon Young and how he would be involved. Well Topkin addressed that as an "internet rumor" - the next day a deal happened and the Twins' general manager Bill Smith stated the Rays were essentially locked in on Garza, suggesting they had offered alternatives.
Fast forward to today and MLBTR, an internet rumors site has none other than Topkin as their "Rumor Royalty" - essentially writers who help spark rumors on the internet - like the Erstad interest which apparently wasn't so mutual after all. I'm sure you can all see the irony here, and you can see what he says about the Delmon deal here.
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Re: Topkin Likes Internet Rumors After All
As fans and consumers not just of baseball but of ANY specific niche audience, I think a beat writer's job is to harness and grow and cultivate his audience.
One instance comes close to mind but there are others, simply put general opinion and slanted information that Marc has done ove the past 2-3 years have me raising more questions than answers.
I must ask, besides maybe a weekly appearance on Charley Steiner's Baseball Beat, does Marc ever listen to local radio? What is his rapport with local media "competitors"? The Boof Bonser deal was what put it out in the open for me, because now its out in the open that Bonser was indeed a target of the Rays in the deal that ultimately sent Matt Garza here. To deny this in the name of "internet rumor" when all he had to do was make a phone call and realize that Bonser himself was in on a negotiation and opened up to a local tv reporter was spiteful and disrespectful on the part of Topkin.
I am not asking for our papers to become like Washington or Boston or St. Louis or Houston with over the top coverage of the local team, but can we get more responsible, in depth, comprehensive baseball coverage in this market? Why does Topkin now become second rate? Every hot stove story this offseason was not broken by local reporters but by national baseball writers? And I ask, is that normal standard operating procedure?
In the end, yes I am perturbed. Its personal in the sense that Topkin has became too big for himself and instead of being at the 1987 All Star Game covering Kirby Puckett, its now 2007. He has forgotten what its like to be hungry. Maybe he needs to shave off that constant 5 o'clock shadow and get back to the basics! Do we as fans deserve more? DRB is the best site around, but it shouldn't be breaking news stories in regards to this club or any club!
by joedobr on Dec 22, 2007 5:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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As for the Boof Bonzer episode, perhaps I am missing something, but I do not see where it is now in the open that the Rays targeted him. I see an implication that there may have been wider discussions, but that is all. As far as I can tell, it was an internet rumor, which is not a criticism at all. It is simply a description, i.e. that an internet blog suggested it might happen. I read Topkin's piece at the time and took nothing else away from it, certainly not disdain or insult or anything else for people to get exercised over. It is entirely possible that Topkin did check it out and realized it was simply not true.
I also miss the point about MLBTR's attitude to Topkin. It seems to me they are grateful that he took time out to answer their questions and are not criticizing him in any way. Again, perhaps I am misinterpreting. It is a good site, a kind of clearinghouse for rumors, but again, there is no implicit criticism of that role. It is a reporter's job to use sources to report rumors, and so long as he is identifying them as such, it is responsible reporting.
Is there some sort of silly war between bloggers and journalists? I know some reporters have been very critical of internet blogs, which is foolishness, but for bloggers to counter-attack is equally foolish. It's like the phony war between scouts and statisticians. Each role has its own conventions, ethics and usefulness and complement each other. If anything, it is the newer blog domain that lacks really established procedures and standards, which is why this one is so good; it seems to abide by a higher standard of behavior than many others.
by bobr on Dec 22, 2007 5:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree Bob,
R.J. is one of the primary reasons for this site's success, and I would personally consider him the main reason for that success being sustained. Jake does a great job pulling in some awesome interviews that really put this site on the map, but it was R.J. that ensured they stick around. He works harder on this site than anyone else, and he provides a steady stream of pertinent content that keeps this site running. He posts more than anyone else, and that he can do that and keep up his spreadsheets and BtB work while working as hard as he does here is amazing. It is a testament to him. He is almost always out and front in reporting things, quite often putting stuff up here before anyone else on any other Rays site. He not only aggregates stuff incredibly, but he also breaks stories. That is incredible, and it is on a day to day basis that he keeps this site afloat and successful.
One such "story" he broke was the Bonser for Young rumor, which Topkin indirectly characterized as an internet rumor. But I personally don't see the reason for the vitriol behind that characterization. Yes, the rumor branched out from J.P. Peterson's show, but Topkin got it from our site. That he characterized it as an Internet rumor should indicate that, as far as he was concerned, the rumor started on the internet, specifically this site. If it were me, I'd take that as a great compliment. Was Topkin listening to a prominent local radio personality for his info? No, he was checking this site and reading our work. That is, in itself, a testament to R.J.'s great contributions; that a local beat writer would consider our site such an invaluable source of information. We are valid enough that he would actually take that story reported by us and ask a Rays official for comment. If he deemed the rumor totally outlandish, he wouldn't have even bothered with that.
So for me, I don't think the "internet rumor" characterization was an attempt to demean the site. I think that it was merely a statement on how he got his source for a story. I don't see it as derogatory or an attempt to discredit "the internet". Rather, I see it as a great honor that he would place as much importance in the site as he does. Marc Topkin is a 20 year veteran of covering baseball for the Times, he is one of the most respected baseball scribes in the BBWAA, and his first-hand experiences with baseball in this area are a great asset for us to have as fans in reading his coverage of the Rays. So I don't want to see some faux war drummed up between the traditional media and blogs here where there is none to speak of. Marc Topkin is a great beat writer and a nice guy, as is R.J. Let's save the war of words for when it is really deserved.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Dec 22, 2007 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: I agree Bob,
I am not a journalist, but I know that reporters have to make fine judgments about what is reliable information and what isn't. We may agree or disagree in any individual case, but while disagreements on specific decisions are legitimate, that is all they are-disagreements. They are not evidence either of malice or poor journalism.
I have no personal contact with Marc Topkin or any of the other local journalists on the two big papers, but reading them regularly, I find them generally excellent. I often disagree, particularly with Jones and Shelton, but I still think they do a good job. As it happens, I often agree with Romano and Topkin, but even when I disagree I respect their reasoning and have always found their information reliable and their arguments worth considering.
by bobr on Dec 22, 2007 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah uh
I believe that Topkin did what he did to for a lack of better terms to "emasculate" himself and further his own "reputation" in spite of what he knew for a fact himself as facts to just dismiss it. It was very dishonest of him, yet I understand why Topkin felt (and still feels) he has to do that. Would you or I do that in the same position?
Loose lips sink ships, I suppose. And in a dog-eat-dog world of beat reporting, I suppose it was his "obligation" to sink any piece of pertinent information that was obtained, even though it was unethical or dishonest.
by joedobr on Dec 23, 2007 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How could you tell all that from his terminology?
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Dec 24, 2007 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
by joedobr on Dec 24, 2007 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bonser
Bob, I have literally grown up on Marc and I have noticed a decay on his work. That may be conjecture by me but its my opinion. They aren't "digging" and if Charley Steiner's "The Beat" show constitutes "digging", then we got a sorry situation for comprehensive beat reporting. All I am saying is DRB has beaten both local papers to all the stories this offseason. And Topkin simply comes across pompous. I am not a blogger on any other site, all I am doing is calling a spade a spade here. Topkin has changed in the past 20 years, and probably not for the better.
by joedobr on Dec 22, 2007 5:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Topkin Likes Internet Rumors After All
Topkin has compromised a great deal of personal integrity with me recently. And who am I but Joe Schmoe? I hold a beat writer to a different tune than that of a columnist. He should be informed and I have very, very good reason to believe that he is not, particularly this offseason.
by joedobr on Dec 22, 2007 5:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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As for keeping up with latest developments, I have not seen what you do. Seems to me he is always very au courant as far as Rays' news is concerned.
by bobr on Dec 22, 2007 6:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Topkin Likes Internet Rumors After All
Yes I am talking about one instance with Bonser and it was NOT and I am adamant about the genesis being an internet rumor. Factual conveyed information that it was and it was dishonest of the man to say it was internet rumor. It was completely NOT internet rumor.
We may be agreeing with each other in a roundabout manner. I hope for the best for everyone.
by joedobr on Dec 23, 2007 10:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Topkin on Young
How the H E Double Cue Sticks does anyone "establish" himself as a "potential" impact player? Is this doubletalk ar am I knitpicking here?
by ttnorm on Dec 22, 2007 11:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Topkin Likes Internet Rumors After All
He established himself by not being overwhelmed in the majors at a very young age. Until 2007, with little major league experience, he had not really established himself as anything more than a talented minor leaguer.
His future is still only potential as he obviously has great talent and some skills but also weaknesses. His 2007 was not a good season for a right fielder, but he showed enough so that he can still be considered a prospect.
Given his talent and skills, he may yet be an impact player. He isn't one yet, and there can be no certainty that he ever will be, but his performance in 2007 establishes that he continues to demonstrate the potential to be an impact player, weaknesses notwithstanding.
by bobr on Dec 22, 2007 11:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Topkin Likes Internet Rumors After All
I have been and continue to be a solid Topkin fan. Like most reporters, beat writers have a juggling act between maintaining sources, verifying rumors, separating fact and opinion, subjectivity and objectivity, etc. I've seen too many beat writers and reporters who fall for the same tactics used by the goobers on the TV, radio, newspapers and internet with their editorial pieces full of sanctimonious drivel and faux controversies. For his role, Topkin does a good job.
by RATW on Dec 23, 2007 10:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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