The Hot Corner: Batting Titles
Jake posted one of these a while ago about whether or not Jim Leyland was a Hall of Fame manager, well I pose this question: Should batting titles be determined by current measure, batting average or on-base percentage?
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Batting average
Why?
Players like Barry Bonds and Jason Giambi don't even swing a bat at pitches out of the zone. They'll choose to walk and only hit when it's a meatball/mistake-type of pitch. While that's going to help you in the long-run, you're taking the fun out of the game and decreases your chances of winning a batting title.
I enjoyed watching Mauer collect hits last year and narrowly got enough ABs, due to him being a catcher, to earn the batting title.
While it's nice in 10 by 10 fantasy leagues to see your player have a .400 OBP, it's fun to see a player attempt at making a run at a .400 batting average.
by Jacob Larsen on Apr 21, 2007 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Batting average
OBP factors in walks, why punish a guy like Bonds for being intimidating or having a good eye?
In theory every hit that doesn't leave the park is 'luck' that it landed in between fielders or just shy, now I don't necesarily agree with that logic, but you can make the case.
It's not as if you're truly harming a Mauer type, since usually the batting title winner will have a pretty large OBP as well, it just seperates the boys from the men in terms of overall hitters.
Perhaps the better question would've been, "Do we need a recognition for the player with the highest OBP?"
by R.J. Anderson on Apr 21, 2007 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at Adam Dunn
There's much more luck at getting a hit than drawing a walk. Playing softball, I learned that I could get on-base in 3 out of 5 ABs without even taking my bat off of my shoulders. That's not intimidating, now is it?
by Jacob Larsen on Apr 21, 2007 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Look at Adam Dunn
I get the luck theory in terms of walk, since it's all subjective on the umpires close calls, though in Bonds case just look at the IBB, that's the intimdation factor, meaning it doesn't exist for every player with high walk totals.
by R.J. Anderson on Apr 21, 2007 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Average
A single is still better than a walk. So being that is true, and guys winning the batting titles almost always hit over .340, that's a very valueble thing. I'd take the guy with the .340+ average who's OBP is only .370 over a guy with a .300 average and OBP is .400 because the amount of hits the guy is getting is making up for him making more outs.
by Tyler on Apr 21, 2007 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Average
However, that said, you are still wrong Tyler, which you seem to be making a habit of... :)
In a direct matchup, of course a single is better than a walk because it gives any baserunners that may be aboard the opportunity to advance. However when you extrapolate all of a player's hits and all of a player's walks over a full season, this comparison is simplistic and irrelevant. A lot of singles come with....
- No one on base
- Runners on base that do not move on a single any more than they would a walk
However I would add that I'd rather have a player with a .100 IsoD than one with a .30 IsoD, because I know that while a string of bad luck can bring down Player A's batting average immensely, the same could happen to Player B, however he would have something to fall back on. Cut each BA .50 points, we'll say .340 in Player A's case, and you are left with a .320 OBP vs. a .350 OBP for a similar reduction for Player B. That is a huge difference, and Player B is the far safer choice, and depending on the circumstances, more valuable to his team.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Apr 21, 2007 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: The Hot Corner: Batting Titles
Actually, rather than eliminate BA, which has sentimental value, why not just elevate OBP into an award?
by bobr on Apr 21, 2007 8:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by R.J. Anderson on Apr 21, 2007 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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