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Pena an Unlucky Hitter, Who Knew...

Its almost every season you have that player that come out of nowhere to surprise the critics and put up those outstanding numbers. In pro football, it was last years draft that some of the critics were questioning the pickup of Randy Moss and what he would mean to the Patriots. Well,picking the breakout players can be a guessing game at times.

What we can do is take a look at who was very unlucky using a metric devised by J.C. Bradbury, the author of The Baseball Economist.  In the stat known as Predicted OPS (prOPS), it looks at types of batted balls players were hitting. It makes a call on how "good" players are actually playing by looking at this data. In other words, it says who were the players who were hitting the ball well, and do not have the numbers to back it up. Similarly, those with the huge numbers, its says how much of that was luck. Thus, this leads to say in the upcoming year that the players that were unlucky might be in store for a breakout season in the upcoming year.

If you look at the Actual OPS and subtract the predicted OPS, that will give you an idea of who overperformed. As expected, Carl Crawford, B.J. Upton, Aki, Delmon Young show up on the list of performers. However, what is interesting to me is seeing that Carlos Pena shows up on the under performing list. Meaning, even with his monster year, he was a little unlucky. Same thing applies to Gomes, Navarro and Baldelli. So, keep these guys on the radar as possible breakouts for 2008. Though, Baldelli had a small sample size.

If you are interested in projections, some of them already out. Marcel (the monkey) the most basic forecasting system you can have, that uses as little intelligence as possible is out. [Marcel 08 Batting]   [Marcel 08 Pitching]

As well, Chone Smith 's projections are out as well: [Chone 08] . Chone performed very well last year so you can take a look at last years projections[Chone 07 (fangraphs)].

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Re: Pena an Unlucky Hitter, Who Knew...
nice article....interesting stuff, i hope pena underperformed, that would be amazing
General Manager Manifesto Matt Bishoff

by Matt Bishoff on Jan 6, 2008 12:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Pena an Unlucky Hitter, Who Knew...
This is why we have to take ALL stats with a grain of salt.

While they may do a good job of looking at trends in general, there will always be outliers and exceptions when looking at a sample of 1. For example. Carl Crawford did not overachieve. His OPS was higher than predicted because he is FAST...Super-Duper fast. Something that is not considered when calculating prOPS. Crawford can turn singles into doubles and doubles into triples and often turns outs into hits. All of these things will increase his SLG which increases his OPS. and because he is fast, his actual OPS is higher than predicted based only on where the ball was hit. That does not mean he "overachieved". It just means he took advantage of his speed.

Who knows what factor is influencing Pena's numbers. But for anybody to think he underachieved in 2007 is ludicrous.

The Revolution will begin soon...

by Devil Ray Guevara on Jan 6, 2008 3:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Revolution?
You mean Rayvolution! And it will be televised - like all good bloody rebellions involving sea animals and bats.

by R.J. Anderson on Jan 6, 2008 4:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Pena an Unlucky Hitter, Who Knew...
"This is why we have to take ALL stats with a grain of salt."
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A serious overstatement, and also a misstating of the way stats are used. Rather say that no one stat is ever conclusive or complete. But they are not to be taken with a grain of salt or discarded as meaningless. They simply have to be combined with many factors, including other stats, and interpreted modestly and always with the understanding that further research will probably alter hypotheses.

Stats are enormously helpful if interpreted carefully and intelligently. They increase our understanding of the game and our ability to evaluate players and team performance. Without them, we resort to superstition, cliches and silly generalizations.

by bobr on Jan 6, 2008 5:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Pena an Unlucky Hitter, Who Knew...
Yes. that was an overstatement for effect. My point was just that a single stat for a single player may not tell the story of that player.
The Revolution will begin soon...

by Devil Ray Guevara on Jan 7, 2008 8:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Pena an Unlucky Hitter, Who Knew...
Yes, speed I think may impact this stat. wonder if there is a stat that shows how fast a player is on the base paths other than SB. Like BP has a stat for type of stuff a pitcher has.

by David Bloom on Jan 7, 2008 9:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Pena an Unlucky Hitter, Who Knew...
It seems there is some difference in context here that seriously effects this discussion.

The projections discussed in the post aren't statistics at all. They are projections of possible future outcomes based to a greater or lesser degree on an analysis of available past statistics. A problem with statistics in general is a reduced ability to predict specific outcomes - they're designed to measure groups of data and provide correlations to improve decision making. And there will always be variations. But measuring the variation of the projection from the actual does not measure the player, it measures the projection.

It's the variations - the human element of actual performance and it's variability - that makes the game great. It's Ozzie Smith hitting a HR in the playoffs when he hits 2 all year.

Looking at the Chone projections attached above, the projections tend to collapse around the mean. I don't have any idea how this individual arrives at their conclusions - I guess I could look it up - but I suspect at least some subjectivity leaks in there. And when there is less Majors data to use for a player, perhaps their minors data is used to fill in the gap. But in reality that doesn't seem as reliable. I understand that one does what one can with the data available. But why does this guy improve, and this guy regress? What in the available data points to that, and why?

Why are Wang and Pettitte's ERA going to rise .5, and Mussina's fall .5? Why do Jackson, Hammell, Howell, and Sonnanstine drop significantly, and Garza rise? Why does Beckett rise and Kazmir fall? Why do Percival, Reyes, and Wheeler all post lower ERA's than Okajima? Guess I need to examine the methodology - if it can be examined.  

by nyyfaninlaaland on Jan 7, 2008 12:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Pena an Unlucky Hitter, Who Knew...
You could also look at this in another way - that being the difficulty of projecting performence off smaller samples. And further, perhaps some methodology issues.

I looked at the Rays data, then looked at the Yankees. What immediately struck me was the difference in accuracy of the 2 data sets. More of the Yanks predictions were more on target. I take this as an indication that a predicitive tool using past performence as a guide is likely to be more accurately predictive when there's a larger pool of data. Note that most of the largest outliers in the data sets are among players with limited stats actual stats in 2007, particularly on the downside.

Strangely, the upside performers more tend to be players with regular play in '07 and deeper history. The Yanks outliers were Cano, Jeter, and Posada (difference + of .05 or more), the Rays include Upton, Crawford and Iwamura. What really struck me in the case of Crawford and Jeter were low prOBP's compared to their histories.

I guess my point is this - predictions / projections are just that. Performance is was matters. Saying a player was lucky / unlucky, underperformed / overperformed gives way too much credence to the predictive tool. In baseball, it's reality that matters.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Jan 6, 2008 4:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Pena an Unlucky Hitter, Who Knew...
Quick follow up point:

Let's consider Upton and DY to show another flaw in this stat and other stats that look at every batted ball on a chart.

Upton and DY generate an enormous amount of bat speed. More bat speed means the ball is hit harder. In a lot cases that means the ball travels farther. That can be calculated by looking at things like home runs (a ball hit very hard).

but what about ground balls?  Let's say Upton hits a groundball 6 feet to the left of the shortstop. Now compare that to a groundball hit to the same spot by  Josh Paul. Upton's groundball is likely to be travelling MUCH faster. there is a better chance of that ball getting through the infield for a single. Paul's groundball is likely to be fielded. On top of that add Upton's speed and even if the ball is fielded (moving towards the hole), there is a good chance he beats it out. Not so for Josh Paul.

SO even though each batter hit the ball to the exact same spot on the field and in each case it was a ground ball (in influencing factor in this formula) Upton and DY get on first base with a single. Josh Paul is out by 5 feet. Was Upton or DY lucky? Did they "overachieve"? Or were they just more skilled than Josh Paul?

When looking at a number like prOPS, it can help predict an increase (or decrease) in OPS to the next season. It works about 75-80% of the time. So it is a good indicator. But there are still 20-25% it does not work for. Some of those players, and where these stats fail, are the highly skilled players. They are not lucky. They just have the ability to get hits on balls others would not get a hit on. That is why they have higher OPSs than "predicted".

The Revolution will begin soon...

by Devil Ray Guevara on Jan 6, 2008 4:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Pena an Unlucky Hitter, Who Knew...
Off topic, I know, but I found a cool list of free agents for next offseason.  Think the Rays might be ready to spend some cash then?  Me neither.  Have to worry about Crawford and maybe Baldelli's options.  And maybe locking up PENA long-term...

http://mlbfleecefactor.com/09-free-agents/

by ET90210 on Jan 6, 2008 6:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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