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A Game of Large, Grotesque Shadows

Ah, so this is what it feels like when major league teams have their off-seasons. Free agent signings, trades, and trade rumors, these are on the menu of a "real off-season". Today Joe Blanton rumors joined the off-season, and for once, I'm not really feeling the idea.

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To begin with the obvious: Billy Beane is the Oakland general manager, he is a personal favorite of mine and one of the few I'd take on this team at any point over Andrew Friedman. However, that should not and cannot stop us from pursuing any means of making our team better. I've read and enjoyed Moneyball twice over, I know he's pulled off some truly amazing deals, but guess what? I'm not overly concerned about it. Beane doesn't have a siren sitting in his office that seduces opposing general managers into giving up all their prospects - otherwise the Cincinnati Reds will have given up Homer Bailey, Johnny Cueto, Joey Votto, and Jay Bruce for Blanton by the time you finish reading this.

I'm not going to divulge into the price for him, because like everyone outside of the Oakland and Tampa offices I simply have no clue what it is or will be. I'll assume it would take a package smaller than the Dan Haren deal, and involve some nice young talent. Again I have no idea who or what spots, and I'm not going to add debate about rumored prices until it's legitimate. In other words; no internet rumors today, sorry.

Blanton's owed 3.7 million this season, and will qualify for arbitration, year two, after 2008, which means he's under team control until after the 2010 season, same as Scott Kazmir. He's a prime target for a long term extension mimicking James Shields, but his 4.66 career road ERA concerns me as do his overall numbers, particularly that despite pitching in a run suppressing park the best he could manage was 230 innings of 3.95 ERA ball, 40 walks, and 140 strikeouts. That's not bad, and I'm not saying he isn't a useful pitcher, but for the large part most of his value derives from eating innings, very valuable on most teams, but not the most valuable to the Rays.

As you know, the Rays have two "proven" tag pitchers, a potential "proven" in Matt Garza, and a poor and apparently hungry man's Blanton in Andrew Sonnanstine, then a bunch of pitchers who have various flaws of different degrees. Clearly Blanton would be an upgrade to the unit as a whole - whatever positioning in a rotation they may take.

Here's the problem: the evaluation of him is dead wrong.

As I stated earlier, Blanton has a 4.66 ERA away from a very pitcher friendly park in Oakland. The general consensus on Blanton is that he's a workhorse good for 200 innings of below 4 ERA ball, but the dangerous part here is putting value into the innings he pitches. You want your best pitchers taking up the majority of innings thrown, which is why if the pitcher isn't top of the line being an "innings eater" really doesn't help; see Jeff Weaver and Mike Maroth.

I'm not comparing his talent level to either of them are saying he'd bomb out elsewhere, but that damned ballpark has played illusions with a few pitchers, Blanton included. His groundball percentage is consistently below 50%, he's struck out 5.24 per 9 in his career and has a K:BB ratio of 2.21, in other words the guy relies a ton on his defense and park to be good.

I won't address the depth of the Rays' starting pitching or anything of that sorts, you readers aren't stupid  or naïve, you know we have a plethora of upcoming options, instead I'd suggest that if the Rays are looking for an average innings eater simply to stop doing so. Instead allow those fifth options to work their way through a season and see if a clear winner doesn't prevail. This team has made great progress during the off-season, but we're not at the point where acquiring a Joe Blanton makes us into contenders or a 90 win team, and he won't be the piece in one or two years that leads us over the top.

In the end I'd suggest staying away from a Blanton deal, but not because of  the general consensus  on Billy Beane, but rather the hidden side of Blanton's performances.

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Re: A Game of Large, Grotesque Shadows
I agree that you shouldn't do the deal. Not necessarily because Blanton wouldn't be a nice player in our rotation or because he wouldn't help the team a lot. I look at him and see a guy that will be league average and eat innings, as you mentioned. I disagree that a player that is league average that eats innings doesn't help your team because he is not one of your best pitchers taking up more innings. In the batting order the amount of PAs a player gets depends solely on his PT and spot in the lineup (relative to the rest of the players). Therefor, if you put a top player at the top its good because he sees more PAs and when you put a lesser player up is bad because he takes PAs from a better player.

Starters are different though. By eating innings Blanton doesn't take innings away from Kaz, Shields, or even Garza. He takes innings away from the BP. This is always good (assuming your worst relievers aren't better than the starter) because it allows your BP to stay healthier and helps your overall pitching numbers. A basic example, if Blanton gets 7 IP/G rather than 6 that is one less inning from a more marginal player, particularly in our BP, which baseball prospectus sighted as the worst in baseball since 1959 statistically. THAT IS VERY GOOD!

I digress though. I don't like the trade for one reason and one reason only: depth. Financially strapped teams can't do trades where we trade 2 or 3 for 1. This is because it is better in the long run to bank on one of those players turning out and then having control over them for 6 years. So, we should never trade young prospects for an established player, unless of course it puts us over the hump to make a playoff run.

SOrry for the long post.

by rglass44 on Feb 7, 2008 7:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: A Game of Large, Grotesque Shadows
Good points.

My point however was that the Rays shouldn't add someone average just to eat innings when we might get an above average performance from one of those fifth starters that pays off in a year.

Building on your example, assuming Blanton gives us 220 innings of 4.4 ERA ball - roughly his XERA average - that's an average of 6.1 IP per start (35 GS) that's roughly 3 earned runs per game.

Valuable? Absolutely, but does that really make us a better team after this year?

And do you believe we could get a sub 4.4 ERA performance from  the 5-7 starting options? I don't think it's likely, but perhaps possible at a lower innings rate.

by R.J. Anderson on Feb 7, 2008 7:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: A Game of Large, Grotesque Shadows
Essentially what I'm asking is: would 220 innings of 4.4 ERA ball be worth discovering another piece of the puzzle who may - but probably won't - match  that as well as the increasing financial commitment, and of course, whatever it is we give up in a trade.

by R.J. Anderson on Feb 7, 2008 7:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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I like Blanton, but not at the expense of our farm depth and limited financial flexibility.

by RATW on Feb 7, 2008 7:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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Agreed, but the fact that it keeps wear and tear off of an older (or inexperienced BP) would be nice. I agree that the deal would be ill-advised unless we could trade some also-ran prospects (which is unlikely).

If he does go to Cinci, imagine the complete flip-flop of home park effects on his era though. Even in a bad nl central his home era would probs go up at least double (it was 2.69 last year).

by rglass44 on Feb 7, 2008 7:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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Yes, a good innings eater would help, but if he flops like Weaver, then it's pretty much moot.

by R.J. Anderson on Feb 7, 2008 7:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: A Game of Large, Grotesque Shadows
That's a pretty unfair comparison RJ. Blanton is no Jeff Weaver.

Frankly, all are running wild with a speculative and offhand comment from an ESPN guy who's likely just spouting. Where I do agree with RJ, as I commented in the previous post, is that there is little that makes sense in the possibility of this deal from the Rays perspective.

The upside is the Rays are being mentioned by ESPN and others as possible buyers rather than sellers - that's a quantum leap!

by nyyfaninlaaland on Feb 8, 2008 1:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: A Game of Large, Grotesque Shadows
And to go back to the original rumor, it was 1 additional team from the Twins or Rays.

The Twins do need an innings eater, have cut payroll significantly, could view Blanton as a better Bonser down the road, and have plenty of chips to trade too.  

by nyyfaninlaaland on Feb 8, 2008 1:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: A Game of Large, Grotesque Shadows
Oh, and finally RJ, I loved the beginning:

"Ah, so this is what it feels like when major league teams have their off-seasons."

Classic!

by nyyfaninlaaland on Feb 8, 2008 1:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: A Game of Large, Grotesque Shadows
It's nice to be less blindly optimistic about our chances this year.

by R.J. Anderson on Feb 8, 2008 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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